Fri, 20 Jun 2008:
From: courtland capwell <>
Subject: Capitol Forest Saturday 9am
This is a moderate ride, not fast. Moderate meaning we will try to not stop too much, but not setting any speed records. Actual mileage will be 22-24 miles, these are not tight twisty miles but real forest service multi-use trail miles. Court


Thu, 19 Jun 2008:
From: "Brandon" <>
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Subject: Re: Screw Work Capitol Forest Ride Report

Summary Data
Total Time (h:m:s) 5:37:27 9:38 pace
Moving Time (h:m:s) 4:43:07 8:05 pace
Distance (mi ) 35.00
Moving Speed (mph) 7.4 avg. 24.3 max.
Elevation Gain (ft) +4,901 / -4,860
Avg. Heart Rate 142 bpm Zone 3.7

Lap(#) Time(m:s) Distance(mi ) MaxSpd(mph) HR(bpm) Energy(Cal)
Avg Max
1 175:17 17.33 23.9 138 178 2,341
2 162:10 17.31 18.8 148 179 2,160

One word AWESOME!!!

Tue, 17 Jun 2008:
Subject: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell

The best recommended comment from the story about Kelowna's illegal mtb courses. The truth. It happens here, too -- not just in the USA and California, etc., like the Mayor likes to remind me. This guy, "Joe Public", could not have stated it better:
"I was the live-in caretaker on Knox Mountain for two years. This is a city park and not a mountain bike course and the problem lies completely with the mentality of the mountain bikers. The city parks department went to great lengths to allow and accomodate mountain bikers within the park by discussing needs with mountain bikers and by creating authorised trails for them to use.
The problem is that most mountain bikers want to do what they want and go where they want to go. They do not like to follow trails or remain is selected areas, they like to create trails and jumps, and they are destroying the park in the process.
I have personally spoken to several "leaders" of local mountain bike clubs and several owners of local mountain bike stores. Up front they claim to be supportive of the park rules, yet when they think that no one is watching, they lead groups of riders down pristine park fields, creating new trails which will continue to erode for decades, or they sneak into the park after hours to ride with headlamps.
When approached on unauthorised trails, university educated riders claim to have not seen the signs and curiously, the next time you catch them on the same unauthorised trails, the signs have all been knocked down. These same "leaders" were asked to form work crews to repair the destruction of the city parks, yet not one rider cared enough to show up. The rampant lack of respect for Kelowna's parks by the mountain biking community is the main reason why I did not renew my contract within the park.

Over the course of 6 years, the mountain biking community of Kelowna has shown no concern for the park itself, and as such and for the sake of the park, should be banned completely. It will take 20 years to repair the damage of their unauthorised rides.


Sat, 14 Jun 2008:

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From: "Steve Pelton" <>
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Subject: Grand Ridge Aviary

Grandma was watching the kiddies so my wife and I hiked Grand Ridge from the
Duthie side. As we got to the top of the first hill and went around a
noticeable log roller we spotted a large grey owl about 30' ahead in a low
tree. It was staring us down big time which is when we heard the hissing
noises from to our left where there was another owl. Then we heard what
sounded like more hissing to the right so we decided to move on.

Went to the top of the second hill ( 1 hour total), returned to the aviary
and there they were again. Only this time all three were in the same tree
within 10' feet of each other - it was cool and they were big. Then we saw
a fourth flying to our right. We took some bad pictures with my phone and
moved on. But they started following us; swooping through the trees. We
rounded a corner and heard the hissing. We spotted one directly above us
puffing its feathers. Then the other three joined and continued the
assault. [Notice that even though the birds gave a clear signal that they weren't welcome, they are even recommending that their friends also go there! Mike]

It was one of the wildest nature encounters I've had; like an interactive
zoo. My guess is they are guarding chicks and will be there for awhile.
Keep your eyes open and you might catch them. It's between the first
dirt-bridge and the only real log roller; well before the bog with the 4x6
crossing, about 30min hike/20min bike. If you know/are a good photographer,
might be a good opportunity.

Funny thing is I probably would never have noticed on my bike. Happy
Father's/Flag day!


Sat, 3 May 2008:
Subject: [BTCEB Talk] Re: The accused is presumed innocent at this stage
From: "Dan'ger" <>
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I agree and thank you for clarifying, Ted.


I am writing this from a Denny's in Flagstaff on my way to NV this



I have been on a business trip/vacation for the last 2 weeks through

CO.  It is amazing the trails that have been built out here by

cyclists, for cyclists.  I have no idea of the advocacy that they must

have gone through but I imagine it's nothing like the battles that we

have in Marin and in the East Bay.


For all of those in CA who have said that you have to go west to get

to great mountain cycling, I suggest that you go east for a change.  I

have only ridden a small percentage of the trails in Fruita, Grand

Junction and Pueblo but if it were the only thing to base living life

on, I would move to CO in a heartbeat.


Among other rare occurrances, I was given trail suggestions by a non-

biking dog walker and he turned me on to some really great rugged

shale-covered singletrack that led to beautiful views.


I hope to get in a few hours at Bootleg Canyon in Boulder City today

with my son to experience some more of the fantastic "by cyclists, for

cyclists" that can be experienced outside of our fascist bay area park





On May 2, 1:14 pm, Brent <> wrote:

> I am no fan of ANYONE building illegal trails. Michael More knows how to build great trails. The majority the folks who head out with tools to their local parks without permission have no clue.  Obviously there's the larger issue of providing adequate trail opportunities and for there to be fair and logical bike policies (which unfortunately is not the case in Marin and the East Bay.) A fundamental solution is offering sufficient opportunities to all user group which will reduce the motivation to build unauthorized trails. However, regardless of the rationale, unauthorized trail building creates serious management (and in many cases environmental) problems. The way you ride will influence trail management decisions and policies.

> If you're interested in helping local cyclists send your money to BTCEB so that we can send some folks to the 2008 IMBA World Summit ( Or head on over to Pt. Pinole (5551 Giant Highway, Richmond) this Saturday for the Youth Moutain Bike Adventures Ride ( Take a minute and write your local EBRPD director ( a letter and ask for equal treatment of mountain biking in EBRPD. And then plan on attending the next BTCEB meeting next Tuesday May 6th, 7:00pm at Danville Bike in Danville, 115 Hartz Ave. And if you want to dig in the dirt come out to the LEGAL trail day at Pleasanton Ridge ( on May 10th (where there's free beer and BBQ provided by Safeway!).Brent Englund President Bicycle Trails Council of the East Bay 530-0664

> Zorglub wrote:If anything, we should show our gratitude by starting a legal defense fund for Mr. More.

> J-C


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Thu, 1 May 2008:
To: cree_anthony <>
From: "Ronald Long" <>
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Subject: Re: House approves Wild Sky wilderness in Washington state

If there's one thing I've learned since joining the BBTC, it's how
unbelievably naive I used to be - thinking that of course mountain
bikers would be environmentalists.
I may be the only one on this list, but I'm delighted that the Wild
Sky wilderness area was created. I agree that it's unfortunate and
wrong that bikes are excluded from places that horses are allowed, and
would love to help change that.
But the world is much bigger than the one we see with our "I wanna
ride there" blinders on, and, in that larger world, there is a
desperate need to preserve places that are relatively untouched by us
wonderful humans. If you can't relate to the spiritual value of those
places, perhaps you can think of them as repositories of fascinating
DNA, that the drug companies will get around to exploiting to create


On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:50 PM, cree_anthony
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> Of course, now they'll move on to the next 'last unprotected stand of
> whatever'. With this having portions that have been previously logged
> and roads and bridges in it, this proposal didn't even meet the
> requirements of the Wilderness act, that's why Pombo had killed it a
> couple years ago.
> I wonder if the mtn biking president who signed this into law realized
> it closed a trail currently open to bikes.
> --- In, CraigSMcKinnon@... wrote:
> >
> > Does this mean that all the wilderness crew will now focus there
> efforts to
> > the next wilderness area, at mt bikers expense? In the name of
> wilderness.